2023 NOVEMBER (Early) Online Sale

Lot: 59 Debating (AUS)

This sale has ended

Buyer: EM Clarke - $27,500

Particulars

Name:	Debating (AUS)
Category:	Racehorse Gelding/Colt
Sire:	Reward for Effort (AUS)
Dam:	Set to Talk (AUS)
Colour:	Bay
Sex:	Gelding
DOB:	26 September 2020
COB:	AUS
Disclosures:
GST:	No
Location:	Stable No. 5 Community Dr FLEMINGTON VIC
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Description

Debating

3YO Bay Gelding

Reward For Effort x Set To Talk

4: 0-1-2 - $16,085

Strong, well muscled Reward For Effort gelding. Still a maiden but has terrific formlines around him from only 4 career starts running in and around the likes of Heuristic (Group 3 winner), Air Assault (Group 3 winner), Scentify (Group 3 placed) and Harley'nrose (Group 3 placed) - see race results below.

Dam: Set To Talk:-

Half-sister to 3 stakes performed horses:-

SUNRISE SILENCE (f Squill) 3 wins-1 at 2-to 1200m in Zimbabwe, Borrowdale MOTA Nursery Fillies S., L, 4th Borrowdale Flame Lily Sprint S., L.

Royal Integrity (c Naturalism) 5 wins from 1200m to 1900m, A$190,050, STC Bartercard H., Clipsal H., Dr Gerald Rose 60th Birthday H., 2d STC Gloaming S., Gr.2, AJC Dulcify H., L, 3d Gosford Classic, L.

Discretion (f Canny Lad) 5 wins-1 at 2-from 1200m to 1600m, A$125,470, AJC Bradshaw Group H., Lurline Bay H., 2d AJC Breeders' Classic, L, VATC Sandown Park UK S., L, 3d VRC Matron S., L, AJC Wiggle H., L. Dam of 11 winners:-

ROYAL DISCRETION (g Royal Academy) 6 wins-1 at 2-at 1200m, 1400m, A$558,325, AJC South Pacific Classic, Gr.3, MRC Moonga S., Gr.3, STC Darby Munro H., L, Hawkesbury Guineas, L, 2d Queensland Guineas, Gr.2, ATC Starlight S., L, QTC Brisbane P., L, 3d AJC All Aged S., Gr.1, STC Canterbury S., Gr.2.

ROULETTES (f Flying Spur) 2 wins at 2, A$116,120, MVRC St Albans S., L, 2d MRC Hayman Island H., AJC $25 Family Membership H., MRC Greater Dandenong Chamber of Commerce H., 3d MRC Routley's H.

Bloodlines:-

He has the EXACT same Danehill over Zabeel cross as 45 individual stakes horses, including Group winners:-

TRAVELLING LIGHT (NZ) 2016 f, by El Roca - Cissy Bowen, by Colombia. 5 wins from 1300m to 1600m, NZ$370,450, WRC Levin Classic, Gr.1, ARC Soliloquy S., Gr.3, Uncle Remus S., L, Matamata RC Matamata Vet Services S., 2d Waikato RC New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders S., Gr.1, Waikato Guineas, Gr.2, Cambridge JC Travis S., Gr.2, 3d New Zealand One Thousand Guineas, Gr.1, Otaki Maori RC WFA S., Gr.1, Waikato RC Te Akau-Buying at NZB H., 4th Waikato Sprint, Gr.1, BOP RC Japan Trophy, Gr.2.

SEABROOK (NZ) 2015 f, by Hinchinbrook - Midnight Revels, by Don Eduardo. 2 wins at 2, A$853,840, ATC Champagne S., Gr.1, Sweet Embrace S., Gr.2, 2d ATC Phar Lap S., Gr.2, MRC Sandown Guineas, Gr.2, SAJC Queen of the South S., Gr.2, MRC Anniversary Cup, Gr.3, SAJC RA Lee S., Gr.3, 3d MRC Thousand Guineas, Gr.1, Blue Diamond Prelude (f), Gr.2, HDF McNeil S., Gr.3, MRC (Mornington) Hareeba S., L, 4th BRC Queensland Guineas, Gr.2, MVRC Inglis Banner 2YO S., RL.

SAVATOXL (AUS) 2015 g, by Kuroshio - Li'l Miss Hayley, by Savabeel. 19 wins-2 at 2-from 1000m to 1600m, A$1,075,583, to 2022-23, SAJC Goodwood H., Gr.1, MRC Schillaci S., Gr.2, SAJC DC McKay S., Gr.3-twice, Christmas H., L, Claude Haigh H., Alice Springs TC Northern Territory Guineas, 2d SAJC Behemoth S., Gr.3, DC McKay S., Gr.3, Darwin TC Northern Territory Derby, 3d SAJC Leon Macdonald S., L, Balaklava Cup, L, Alice Springs Cup, 4th SAJC City of Marion H., L.

OUTLAW KING (SAF) 2020 c, by Rafeef - Way of Escape, by Greys Inn. 3 wins at 2, R584,500, in 2022-23, Greyville Umkhomazi S., Gr.2, Kenilworth Bloodstock SA Sales Cup, 2d Scottsville Gold Medallion, Gr.1, 3d Scottsville Godolphin Barb S., Gr.3.

ALASKAN GOD (AUS) 2018 g, by Playing God - Lady Alaska, by Reset. 5 wins from 1400m to 2400m, A$556,675, Western Australian Derby, Gr.2, WATC Melvista S., L, Heineken 3 H., 2d WATC Blue Spec H., 3d MRC Naturalism S., Gr.3, 4th WATC GA Towton Cup, L.

NOT AN OPTION (AUS) 2017 g, by Not a Single Doubt - Chintz, by Savabeel. 6 wins-2 at 2-to 1400m, NZ$121,060, A$404,125, to 2022-23, WRC Wakefield Challenge S., Gr.2, MRC (Mornington) Hareeba S., L, VRC Choices Flooring H., Brian Beattie H., Matamata RC Fairview Motors Matamata S., Counties RC Ssangyong 2YO H., 2d ARC Eclipse S., Gr.2, 3d ATC Kindergarten S., Gr.3, SCTC Winx Guineas, Gr.3, MRC (Mornington) Hareeba S., L, 4th VRC Elms H., L, MRC Weekend Hussler H., L.

POSITIVE PEACE (AUS) 2015 f, by Stratum - Warpath, by Reset. 9 wins to 1550m, A$565,715, ATC Emancipation S., Gr.2, Nivison S., Gr.3, Sharp Extensive it H., Cerrone H., Sky Racing Active H., Heineken 3 H., 2d ATC TAB H., Ranvet H., 3d ATC Hot Danish S., Gr.2, 4th ATC Golden Pendant, Gr.2.

LEONARDO DA HINCHI (AUS) 2015 c, by Hinchinbrook - Portrait, by Octagonal. 3 wins-2 at 2-from 1100m to 1600m, A$235,875, MVRC Bill Stutt S., Gr.2, MRC Ladbrokes Back Yourself 2YO H., 2d VRC Antler Luggage P., L, 3d MVRC Mitchell McKenzie S., L.

MORE PROPHETS (AUS) 2016 f, by Smart Missile - Set to Skelter, by Reset. 6 wins to 1400m, A$483,430, to 2022-23, Scone RC Dark Jewel Classic H., Gr.3, Wyong RC Mona Lisa S., L, ATC Gow Gates H., Sky Racing Active H., Vinery Stud H., Microphone at Darley H., 2d ATC Angst S., Gr.3, TAB H., 3d ATC Fujitsu General Sprint H., Schweppes H., Drinkwise P., 4th ATC Guy Walter S., Gr.2, Triscay S., Gr.3, Newcastle JC Tibbie S., Gr.3.

BIG TREE (AUS) 2012 c, by Snitzel - Croft, by Octagonal. 2 wins-1 at 2-at 1200m, A$218,300, GCTC Ken Russell Memorial Classic, Gr.3, BRC Rhino Toolboxes H., 2d BRC Best Security H., Iona Old Boys H., Nugrow Organics H., Hamilton Hotel H., McGahan Electrical H., Madame Wu H., 3d SCTC Mick Dittman P., L.

MIGHTY LUCKY (AUS) 2009 g, by Casino Prince - Buxom Babe, by Octagonal. 9 wins from 1300m to 2000m, A$868,745, ATC Summer Cup, Gr.3, BRC Lord Mayor's Cup, Gr.3, ATC Festival S., L, Scone RC Luskin Star S., L, ATC Calm Aluminium H., TAB Royal Randwick H., Warwick Farm H., 2d ATC Shannon S., Gr.2, Hawkesbury Gold Cup, Gr.3, Canberra RC National Sprint H., L, ATC Bowermans Office Furniture H., TAB Rewards H., Canterbury Hurlstone RSL H., Octagonal H., Parramatta Catholiccare Social Services H., 3d Newcastle JC Cameron H., Gr.3, Newmarket H., Gr.3, Gosford Gold Cup, L, ATC Bankstown Sports Premier's Cup H., Cellarbrations Wyong November H., Warwick Farm H., 4th ATC Villiers S., Gr.2, Summer Cup, Gr.3, Festival S., Gr.3, Carrington S., L, Hawkesbury RC Ladies Day Cup, L.

Race Results:-

15th April 2023 3rd of 9 Morphettville 2YO Handicap 1100m

https://www.racing.com/form/2023-04-15/morphettville/race/1

Comment: caught 3 wide no cover the whole trip, stuck on well, still hit the line nicely

1st Heuristic: Next start placed 2nd (btn 0.7 lengths) Group 3 Breeders Stakes 1200m, then the start after that WON Group 3 David Coles Stakes 1200m.

2nd Harley'n'Rose: Next start placed 3rd (btn 1 length) Group 3 Breeders Stakes 1200m, then the start after that placed 3rd (btn 2.8 lengths) Group 3 Sires Produce 1400m.

5th Air Assault: Two starts later WON the Group 3 Sires Produce Stakes 1400m, then three starts after that WON the Listed Hill Stakes 1800m.

3rd May 2023 4th of 6 Warrnambool 2YO Handicap 1200m

https://www.racing.com/form/2023-05-03/warrnambool/race/1

+4.14 lengths above benchmark vs all classes for the track/conditions/distance (including Open grade races)

1st Scentify: WON again next start Moonee Valley $150,000 3YO Handicap 1200m. The start after that placed 2nd (btn 1.25 lengths) Moonee Valley Listed McKenzie Stakes 1200m then placed 3rd (btn a nose) Group 3 Caulfield Guineas Prelude 1400m both behind star colt Steparty.

2nd Loose On Gin: WON next start Hamilton maiden 1100m by 3.75 lengths, then most recent ran 5th Moonee Valley Group 3 Red Anchor Stakes 1200m.

3rd Sacred Eagle: Most recently ran 4th (btn 2.6 lengths) Listed Geelong Classic 2200m.

18th September 2023 3rd of 7 Hamilton 3YO Maiden 1100m

https://www.racing.com/form/2023-09-18/bet365-hamilton/race/4

+4.2 lengths above benchmark vs this class

1st Moesha: Most recent ran 4th (btn 3 lengths) Caulfield Group 2 Tranquil Star 1400m.

Location

Stable No. 5 Community Dr FLEMINGTON VIC

Pedigree
Form

Pedigree



DEBATING (AUS)
Bay gelding		Foaled 2020

REWARD FOR EFFORT

Exceed and Excel

Danehill (USA)

Danzig

Patrona (USA)

Lomond

Miss Prospect

Rory's Jester

Crown Jester

Imposing Life (NZ)

Imposing

SET TO TALK
2006

Reset

Zabeel

Sir Tristram (Ire)

Assertive Lass

Zeditave

Nothings Secret (USA)

Secreto

Northern Dancer

Jellatina

Fortino

REWARD FOR EFFORT (AUS) (Bay 2006-Stud 2011). 4 wins-2 at 2, MRC Blue Diamond S., Gr.1. Sire of 650 rnrs, 418 wnrs, 11 SW, inc. Gold Symphony (MRC Vain S., Gr.3), Ability, Brugal Reward, Take Pride, Outlaws Revenge, More Reward, Champagne Dreams, Blondie, No Effort, Dalradian, Desert Lashes, SP Gratwick, Jumbo Luck, Tuff Bickie, Philonize, Rock the Ring, Fancy Rumble, I'm Telling Ya, Sheriff John Stone and of Echoes in Eternity, Final Man, etc.

1st dam

SET TO TALK, by Reset. 2 wins at 2000m in Aust. Half-sister to SUNRISE SILENCE, Royal Integrity, Discretion (dam of ROYAL DISCRETION, ROULETTES), Chinese Whispers (dam of ROCK ROBSTER), Secret Silence (dam of ALBANY REUNION, FAST DRAGON). Dam of 5 foals, all raced, 3 winners-

Wordy (g by Al Maher) Winner at 1300m, 2d SAJC PFD Food Service H., 3d MVRC BMD Group H., SAJC Charlie Hoile H.

Prolix (f by High Chaparral (Ire)) Winner at 2400m in Aust.

Prating (f by Al Maher) Winner at 1200m in Aust.

Debating (g by Reward for Effort) See below.

Voluble (f by Reward for Effort) Placed in 2023-24 in Aust.

2nd dam

NOTHINGS SECRET (USA), by Secreto. Unraced. Half-sister to NORTHJET, JENDALI, MADANG, MAKSUD, Colour Me In. Dam of 17 foals, 16 to race, 14 winners, inc:-

SUNRISE SILENCE (f Squill) 3 wins-1 at 2-to 1200m in Zimbabwe, Borrowdale MOTA Nursery Fillies S., L, 4th Borrowdale Flame Lily Sprint S., L. Producer.

Royal Integrity (c Naturalism) 5 wins from 1200m to 1900m, A$190,050, STC Bartercard H., Clipsal H., Dr Gerald Rose 60th Birthday H., 2d STC Gloaming S., Gr.2, AJC Dulcify H., L, 3d Gosford Classic, L.

Discretion (f Canny Lad) 5 wins-1 at 2-from 1200m to 1600m, A$125,470, AJC Bradshaw Group H., Lurline Bay H., 2d AJC Breeders' Classic, L, VATC Sandown Park UK S., L, 3d VRC Matron S., L, AJC Wiggle H., L. Dam of 11 winners-

ROYAL DISCRETION (g Royal Academy) 6 wins-1 at 2-at 1200m, 1400m, A$558,325, AJC South Pacific Classic, Gr.3, MRC Moonga S., Gr.3, STC Darby Munro H., L, Hawkesbury Guineas, L, 2d Queensland Guineas, Gr.2, ATC Starlight S., L, QTC Brisbane P., L, 3d AJC All Aged S., Gr.1, STC Canterbury S., Gr.2.

ROULETTES (f Flying Spur) 2 wins at 2, A$116,120, MVRC St Albans S., L, 2d MRC Hayman Island H., AJC $25 Family Membership H., MRC Greater Dandenong Chamber of Commerce H., 3d MRC Routley's H. Dam of 5 winners-

SUN CITY (c Zoustar) Winner at 2, A$168,100, BRC BJ McLachlan S., Gr.3, 2d VRC Maribyrnong Trial S., L, BRC Phelan Ready S., L, 3d MRC Big Screen Company H. Sire.

PARLOPHONE (f I Am Invincible) 2 wins at 2, A$176,350, SAJC Lightning S., L, MRC Ladbrokes Odds Boost Exotics 2YO H., 2d SAJC Lightning S., L, VRC Flemington Event Staff 2YO H.

Tactfully (f Flying Spur) 5 wins at 1100m, 1200m, A$154,900, AJC Your Wish List on a Canon H., STC Winning Edge Presentations H., Australian United Fresh H., Rosemount Estate H., 3d STC Birthday Card H., Gr.3, AJC Schweppervesence H. Dam of 6 winners-

VEZALAY (f Shamardal) 3 wins at 1100m, A$225,800, MRC Alinghi S., L, 3d VRC AV Kewney S., Gr.2, MRC WW Cockram S., Gr.3, Alinghi S., L. Producer.

Volando. 4 wins-1 at 2-from 1000m to 1600m, A$216,984, MVRC Gillies Famous Pies H., MRC Routley's H. Dam of 3 winners-

SIR FRENCHIE (c Choisir) 12 wins-2 at 2-to 1400m, R1,133,575, Fairview Ibhayi S., L, East Cape Sprint Cup, L, Kenilworth Sophomore Sprint H., L, 2d Scottsville Godolphin Barb S., Gr.3.

Scone. 2 wins at 1200m, 1400m, SAJC Fresh Care H. Dam of 4 winners-

Segenhoe Valley. Placed at 2 & 3 in Aust. Dam of 2 winners-

SHESALLSHENANIGANS (f Toronado) 4 wins-3 at 2-to 1200m, A$912,750, to 2023-24, VRC Cap d'Antibes S., L, MRC Thoroughbred Breeders Victoria 2YO Showdown, Bendigo JC Gold Rush 2YO P., 3d SAJC Cinderella S., L.

SHELBY COBRA (g Toronado) 2 wins at 1400m, A$166,350, VRC Amanda Elliott H., L.

Secret Silence. Winner at 1200m in Aust. Dam of 8 winners-

ALBANY REUNION (g Fastnet Rock) 5 wins from 1200m to 1600m, NZ$222,900, S$6,075, ARC Easter H., Gr.1, Whangarei RC Spire Sprint H., ARC Shailer Racing H., Lindauer H., 2d ARC Mr Tiz Trophy, Gr.3, The Edge TV H., Whangarei RC Carter Bloodstock H., ARC The Sound H., 3d ARC Newmarket H., L, 4th WRC Telegraph H., Gr.1.

FAST DRAGON (c Fastnet Rock) 2 wins-1 at 2-at 1600m, NZ$115,625, A$6,250, ARC Champagne S., L, Waikato RC Hamilton Party Hire H., 3d Waikato RC Herbie Dyke S., Gr.1, ARC Karaka Mile, RL, Trevor Eagle Memorial S., L, 4th ARC Championship S., Gr.2, Concorde H., Gr.3.

Palace Rock (f Fastnet Rock) 2 wins at 1600m, NZ$100,725, ARC Swisse Wellness Trophy H., 2d ARC Bach Espresso H., White Refrigeration H., Macular Degeneration NZ H., Mico H., 3d Manawatu RC Eulogy S., Gr.3. Dam of-

GIANNIS (g Flying Artie) Winner at 1500m, A$351,325, ATC Dulcify S., L, 2d BRC JJ Atkins P., Gr.1, 3d ATC Pierro 2YO P.

Chinese Whispers. Winner at 2050m in Aust. Dam of 8 winners-

ROCK ROBSTER (f Fastnet Rock) 3 wins from 1750m to 2400m, A$154,020, Tasmanian Oaks, L, MRC Ascend Sales & Sponsorship H., 2d Mornington RC Galilee Final H., L, MVRC Alternate Railway H., Local Roadways H., MRC Schweppes H., D'Urban H.

Race Record:

Placed at 2 & 3 to 2023-24, 3d SAJC Skycity 2YO H.

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Race Record

Full Race Record for

DEBATING (AUS) 2020 Bay gelding
by Reward for Effort - Set to Talk, by Reset

(in Australia)

Age	Runs	1st	2nd	3rd	Earnings
2	2	-	-	1	A$6,925
3	2	-	1	1	A$9,160
Totals:	4	-	1	2	A$16,085

15/Apr/2023	3rd of 9 (2.6)	SAJC Skycity 2YO H., A$55,000, 1100m, time 1:05.48. Track soft(5). Carried 57.00kg. Heuristic was 1st and Harley'n'rose 2nd. Trainer: Nick Ryan. Owner: W D Bowness. Jockey: John Allan.	A$4,425
03/May/2023	4th of 6 (3.6)	Warrnambool RC Warrnambool City Volkswagen 2YO H., A$50,000, 1200m, time 1:15.36. Track heavy(10). Carried 59.00kg. Scentify was 1st and Loose on Gin 2nd and Sacred Eagle 3rd. Trainer: Nick Ryan. Owner: W D Bowness. Jockey: N Rawiller.	A$2,500
18/Sep/2023	3rd of 7 (4.8)	Hamilton RC Phillips Farm Machinery Maiden P., A$27,000, 1100m, time 1:03.96. Track good(4). Carried 56.00kg (allowance -2.00kg). Moesha was 1st and Ode to Joy 2nd. Trainer: Nick Ryan. Owner: W D Bowness. Jockey: Tom Prebble.	A$3,360
21/Oct/2023	2nd of 9 (0.2)	Avoca Shire TC Cams Security Pty Ltd Maiden P., A$20,000, 1200m, time 1:13.11. Track good(4). Carried 58.00kg. Over You Pop was 1st and Prevailed 3rd. Trainer: Nick Ryan. Owner: W D Bowness. Jockey: Tahlia Hope.	A$5,800